Ian’s chat with Crass’s founding drummer and writer gets off to a rousing start with Penny declareing his slight preferences for the Beatles over the Stones, for at least “not shitting all over Chuck Berry’s shoulder.” Moving on the two muse on Johnny Rotten’s logical inconsistencies before addressing Crass’s “brand image” of Crass. Penny also breaks down his feelings for Rave, describes how the Falklands War and its attendant politics forced Crass into its “immediate response” method of songwriting. Not missing a beat, Rimbaud reveals the anarchist plot to destroy Greenwich Mean Time and shares his thoughts on this concentration camp we call reality.